28 thoughts on “Daniel Mesa and the Spirit”

  1. I can not fathom why there is a problem here! I read what you believe. I heard your testimony on you tube. What is the issue of so many people missing the point? The point being, who can completely understand GOD? Why is this being argued? I feel afraid. No 2 people can understand exactly the same. The Catholic word Trinity should not be used. Period. Tell me Daniel, was it Froom back in the 1940’s who brought this word into Adventism? I refuse to use the word. I hope all is well with you brother! Blessings to you and your family! Grace

    1. Hello Gracie. There are minor details that make major differences in our beliefs. “Co” and “Con” for example ended up leading to the destruction of three nations by the antichrist power in the 4-500s.

      Don’t be afraid. In fact… 2 Timothy 1:7 is a verse I hope for you, “God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.”

      Yes, Froom was, admittedly, one who brought the doctrine of the trinity into the Seventh-day Adventist Church. He says that on page 322 of his “Movement of Destiny” book. I’ll quote it here:
      “May I here make a frank personal confession? When, back between 1926 and 1928, I was asked by our leaders to give a series of studies on the Holy Spirit, covering the North American union ministerial institutes of 1928, I found that, aside from priceless leads found in the Spirit of Prophecy, there was practically nothing in our literature setting forth a sound Biblical exposition in this tremendous field of study. There were no previous pathfinding books on the question in our literature. I was compelled to search out a score of valuable books written by men outside of our faith—those previously noted—for initial clues and suggestions, and to open up beckoning vistas to intensive personal study. Having these, I went on from there. But they were decided early helps. And scores, if not hundreds, could confirm the same sobering conviction that some of these other men frequently had a deeper insight into the spiritual things of God than many of our own men then had on the Holy Spirit and the triumphant life. It was still a largely obscure theme.”

      Sorry… I CANNOT agree. God had given to the Seventh-day Adventist movement truth that was and is needed for His people to be prepared for translation. “Wake up the mighty men. Let the messages of the past 50 years that have been sounding now be seen in their true force and bearing by repetition. Let the same spirit which attended these messages come into our hearts in these last days. These things are not [to] be mentioned with gloom and sadness.” 14MR 288.1 (Written December 22, 1890).

    2. Gracie, I agree, check it out, this acknowledged use was not acceptable to EGW and was brought into our church in 1980s so check it out, brought into the Catholic Church in the mid 350 AD, so check it out brought into the Catholic Church at that time by the pagans who beloved in the trinty of their pagan gods and if was true understanding of the founding fathers of SDA church why nearly a 100 years later to acknowledge, no this trinty belief is from the pit of the devil. There is only one true God and His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, which comes from the Father and Son. This the source of theHoly Spirir, check it out. If you truly love God, please don’t take my word or anybody else’s word, check it out in God’s owners operating manual the Holy Bible, with the help of “the Holy Spirit.” May God ‘s true people be found ready for His soon return.

    3. The Catholic church teaches that we should love one another. Does that mean that this teaching is wrong.
      So the concept to the Trinity, is as much a part of the Scripture as the concept of Love. Putting a word to a belief does not minimize that belief, if that belief is not contradicting the Scripture.

      In other words, the concept and biblical teaching of the Trinity, is NOT, is not the same as the concept and unbiblical teaching as the “purgatory” of the Catholic church.

  2. my family listens to your youtube videos all the time and i thank you for standing up and proclaiming the truth for those who can not. God be with you.

  3. Daniel, you admit what the SOP teaches about the Holy Spirit. (Third Person of the Godhead, Heavenly Trio…etc) Then you teach that the Holy Spirit is not a separate Person, but the omnipresence of the spirit of Christ, that is contradictory. You should stop using these obscure, half quoted passages from the SOP to prove your point. You should take heed to the words of A T Jones.

    “And the Holy Spirit is a person. This great truth is not recognized, indeed it is not believed, by more than a very few even of Christians. For everybody knows that almost invariably, with very, very few exceptions, the Holy Spirit is referred to and spoken of by Christians as “it.” {March 27, 1907 ATJ, MEDM 98.5}
    But the word “it” never applies to a person. The word “it,” in the very genius of our language, refers and applies only to things, never to persons; to things of inanimate substance, as a stone, a horse, a tree; or to things of concept, or experience, as space, height, breadth, peace, joy, grief, an impression, an influence. But the Holy Spirit is none of these: the Holy Spirit is not an influence; nor an impression, nor peace, nor joy, nor any thing. The Holy Spirit gives peace, and gives joy, assuages in grief, makes an impression, exerts an influence; but the Holy Spirit is none of these things, nor any other thing. {March 27, 1907 ATJ, MEDM 98.6}
    No, eternally no! The Holy Spirit is a Person, eternally a divine Person. And he must be always recognized and spoken of as a Person, or he is not truly recognized or spoken of at all. {March 27, 1907 ATJ, MEDM 98.7}
    See how plain and emphatic the Scriptures set forth this truth that the Holy Spirit is only a Person: and to aid the reader to see this truth, we will print in capital letters Italic, the words that designate the Holy Spirit:— {March 27, 1907 ATJ, MEDM 98.8}

    1. We have been blessed by AT Jones, but we do need to remember that around the time that jones penned this statement, he was heavily influenced by Kellogg. Look at the date of this warning and then the date of Jones’ statement.
      “In vision I had seen him [A. T. Jones] under the influence of Dr. Kellogg. Fine threads were being woven around him, till he was being bound hand and foot, and his mind and his senses were becoming captivated.”—Letter 116, 1906. ATJEJW 3.4

      Then, comments Ellen White, as she reported this to Brother Jones just before he went to Battle Creek, she could see “that his perceptions were becoming confused, and that he did not believe the warning given. The enemy works in a strange, wonderful way to influence human minds.”—Ibid. But Jones was sure that he would not fall away. He was a man with too much self-confidence.

      1. Self deception is real, but it only happens to others. (?) So, only God can create the humble heart that moves in prayer for wisdom to see our self deception. And then dealing with our pride in recognizing we are wrong is an even bigger process. God help us not to be self deceived. In our humanness we are not smart enough to identify our self deception. It takes a trusted friend to guide a brother or sister back to Jesus. Prayer and humility is a gift we ask for from Jesus to overcome in ourselves what we cannot see.

      2. That is no evidence that everything brother Jones wrote at that time was wrong. Sr. White, in fact, agrees with his statement.

        “…we need to realize that the Holy Spirit, who is as much a person as God is a person, is walking through these grounds, that the Lord God is our keeper, and helper.” –Ms 66, 1899, p. 4.

        1. It should be noted that this quote was written by a stenographer. EGW was speaking to a group of youth at the Avondale College Church in Australia. Therefore, this was not written by her hand. This can be known for sure by going to the source from whence it comes. Notice the explanation at the head of this portion of the article:
          “Extracts from discourse given by Mrs. E.G. White in the Avondale Church, March 25, 1899” Ms66-1899.9

          What she did write was the following,

          “How few realize that Jesus, unseen, is walking by their side! How ashamed many would be to hear His voice speaking to them and to know that He heard all their foolish, common talk! And how many hearts would burn with holy joy if they only knew that the Saviour was by their side, that the holy atmosphere of His presence was surrounding them, and they were feeding on the bread of life! How pleased the Saviour would be to hear His followers talking on His precious lessons of instruction and to know that they had a relish for holy things!” CT 342.1

          “Let us remember that the Word Christ has commanded us to preach to all nations, kindreds, tongues, and peoples is confirmed by the Holy Spirit. This is God’s plan of work. Christ is the mighty power which confirms the Word, bringing men and women, through conversion to the truth, to an understanding faith, making them willing to do whatsoever He has commanded them. The human agent, the seen instrument, is to preach the Word, and the Lord Jesus, the unseen, agency, by His Holy Spirit is to make the Word efficacious and powerful.” Letter 105, 1900.

          “Jesus desires to make celestial harmony in your soul. Read His words, not with discouragement, [but] with confidence and hope. Listen to the blessed words which God speaks to you. Walking with Christ means to believe that, though unseen, Christ is walking with you.” Lt104-1901.20

          “the Communion service was not to be a season of sorrowing. This was not its purpose. As the Lord’s disciples gather about His table, they are not to remember and lament their shortcomings. They are not to dwell upon their past religious experience, whether that experience has been elevating or depressing. They are not to recall the differences between them and their brethren. The preparatory service has embraced all this. The self-examination, the confession of sin, the reconciling of differences, has all been done. Now they come to meet with Christ. They are not to stand in the shadow of the cross, but in its saving light. They are to open the soul to the bright beams of the Sun of Righteousness. With hearts cleansed by Christ’s most precious blood, in full consciousness of His presence, although unseen, they are to hear His words, “Peace I leave with you, My peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you.” John 14:27.” DA 659.1


          1. Such deception, Daniel. Jesus of course is with us. Just as He promised. That He would not leave us or forsake us. And He is with us, can be perfectly and understandably be considered acceptable by that the Holy Spirit is His Representative. Just as Christ represented the Father while He was on earth, so now the Holy Spirit is the officially named representative of Christ and the Father on earth. Is this a complete understanding. No. We can not say that they, the Father and the Son, can not be here at the same time as God the Holy Spirit. We can not say. But we can know for sure that “THEY”, sent God the Holy Spirit, to lead us into all truths. We can know that “THEY”, sent God the Holy Spirit, to be our “ANOTHER” Comforter. And that God the Holy Spirit, would, “TESTIFY” of Christ the Son of God.

            We have this being told us, not from Mr. Jones. Or from Mrs. White. But from both the Father and the Son.

            Guess what. NUFF SAID.

          2. Please give an example of inspiration using the phrase, “God the Holy Spirit.” I know it doesn’t exist, but perhaps you haven’t looked for that phrase yet?

          3. Fortunately we don’t have to “assume” what God is trying to say on our own. We have been given the whole of Scripture to tell us what God wanted to say. There are times when two words have been used interchangeably being translated one way but meaning another. Like the words for grape juice and wine. So we would have to use what we know God has said about our bodies and health. And what He himself did when hanging on the Cross, dying in pain, yet refusing anything that would compromise His ability to reason, and make decisions. So we know that we should not use alcoholic beverages.

            So since both God the Father and God the Son, have mentioned each other and then mentioned God the Holy Spirit, in the same breath, and since God the Father and God the Son, used the personal pronoun He, when referring to God the Holy Spirit, and not the pronoun it, these tell us God’s true way of understanding the word, “another” when used in reference to the, “another Comforter”.

            Please there are way too many examples where God tells us that the Holy Spirit, is as much God as God the Father and God the Son.

      3. Forget about Jones, and (respectfully), Ellen G. White. We are not to take as the last say so, anyone else’s say so about Scripture. Only God’s Word has the last say so. And in His, God’s Word, the Bible, we are shown time and time again, that the Holy Spirit is referred to as a person. We have texts that speak of at the same time, in the same breath, both the Father being mentioned and the Holy Spirit. Both Jesus being mentioned and at the same time in the same verses, the Holy Spirit, being mentioned.
        Both the Father and Son speak of the person of the Holy Spirit, not as simply a power but a a person

        It is a poor idea to say that just because the Holy Spirit was sent that this example is a good example that He is only a power. Because the Sacred Scriptures also say that the Son, Jesus was sent.

        Jesus, our Savior, speaks of the Holy Spirit as a person, saying that He would not testify of Himself. And Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would speak of Christ.
        Jesus himself said that He was going and that “another” comforter would be sent.

        There are more than just a few examples of the Holy Spirit being an individual. And there are many times when the personal pronoun, “He”, was used by both the Father and the Son, when they referred to their Co-Reigner, the Holy Spirit.

        1. Hello Gerald. Thank you for your comments. Please consider this study regarding the Greek word for “another,” which is “allos.”

          Also, consider Galatians 4:4-6 to see that God sent His Son, and God then sent the Spirit of His Son in our hearts.

          1. Daniel, there are no examples that use God the Holy Spirit. But neither are there any examples of God the Father, or God the Son. We just see them active in the history of the Bible and praise God they are active and making history with us today.

            Please understand. We don’t have a text that says, that the God head is limited to only God the Father and God the Son. So there is no reason to interpret the examples where God the Father and God the Son speak of the Holy Spirit as a being. An individual.

            And since Peter spoke of the Holy Spirit as the One being grieved. Ephesians 4:30; Since we are told by Peter that Ananias, with his wife Sapphira, had lied to the Holy Spirit we can know God’s teaching of who the Holy Spirit is. He is God the Holy Spirit.

          2. True, “God the Son,” nor “God the Spirit” are used in inspiration. But “God the Father” is used 13 times; The “Son of God” is used 48 times; The “Spirit of God” is used 26 times, in the KJV.

            Regarding Ananias and Sapphira, please read Acts 5:9, which tells each reader that the Spirit referred to in the previous verses was the “Spirit of the Lord.”

  4. Thanks very much for the responds
    The Pastor that you mentioned in South Africa .
    Which area in South Africa is he? could you perhaps give me his contact details?


    1. I’m sorry for the slip about God the Father. Thank you for your correction. But now consider this for yourself. How many times has Jesus been called “The Son of God?”.

      Now tell me what is the difference? The Spirit of God, or The Holy Spirit of God and The Son of God. One is found in 1 Corinthians 12:3

      Now Peter could have said earlier that they lied to God. To Jesus. But he said they lied to the Holy Spirit.

    1. Merci beaucoup! J’utilise Google Translate, alors excusez-moi si cela ne se révèle pas comme il se doit, mais que le bon Dieu soit avec vous! Bénédictions.
      Daniel Mesa

    2. Damaz. You don’t seem to understand. Please look at Isaiah 8:20. What is being suggested is more than shown as not true, when you consider all of the Scriptures that show that the Holy Spirit, is an individual. Acts 5:9, is no different than saying the Son of God. So if the Son of God can be a unique individual, and the Father is also, then the Spirit is also.

  5. Ok, now I’m really even more confused than when I first began to try to understand the Holy Spirit.
    When it comes right down to it in layman’s terms, am I to understand that the Holy Spirit lives in us through God the Father and Christ the Son?

    1. Yes, that is what I believe. First the Father gave His Spirit of life to His Son–begetting His Son. Then His Son has given the Spirit to us.

      1Tim. 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

      John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

      John 15:26 When the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

      Gal. 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
      Gal. 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
      Gal. 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

      John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

      1Cor. 1:3 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

      “They must have His grace, the Spirit of Christ, to help their infirmities, or they cannot resist evil… Strength and grace have been provided through Christ to be brought by ministering angels to every believing soul.” SC 52.2-3

      John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth [gives life]; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

  6. I want to thank you for the email and the comment on the website to help me understand. I prayed for the wisdom and received it with much Love from our Lord. God bless you always.

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